We believe in being subject to . . .

Why?                  Seriously. WHY?

This is one of the most evil doctrines on the planet as it is the source of most of the worlds ills.

Why should you be subject to any person? Why should you do what they tell you to do? Why should anybody have the right to force you to obey them? Where do they get that right? It certainly didn’t come from God and in fact that dangerous belief is completely at odds with the Ten Commandments, the eternal principle of Agency, the Golden Rule and the second greatest Commandment; Love Your Neighbor.

We are to obey God, not man. Acts 5:29 “Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.” Think about that. Why would you ever think you have a moral duty to obey men, who are just like you? Why would you ever think other humans have a legitimate right to FORCE you to do what they say? Where would they get that right? Not from God and not on His authorization. So who are they acting on behalf of? Whose system is based on force?

Where did the 12th article of faith come from? Do you know? Was it a revelation from God? Did any of the ancient prophets teach it? Is it taught in the Book of Mormon? The Bible? Lets find out.

On March 1, 1842 Joseph Smith wrote a letter to a Chicago newspaper editor named John Wentworth, describing 13 beliefs of Mormonism. This was basically an attempt to get some good p.r. for the church. These beliefs later became known as the Articles of Faith. And one of them, AOF 12, states this: “We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.” Kind of funny because this unfortunately contradicts the previous AOF number 11: “We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.”

See the problem? These two concepts are always at odds. These are contradicting statements, although one is called a belief and the other is a claim, which is stronger. Government, or as I refer to it the State, always claims ownership of and demands obedience from its subjects, contrary to the will of God, which states we are all created equal. What is all government based on? One thing . . . . FORCE!(more on this here) Isn’t that right? What gives the State its power over you? Its ability to force you to obey it right? Take away the force and what would you then have? Something very different, right? Stating you believe in being subject to men, which is what the state is is completely at odds with stating you also claim the privilege of worshipping God the way you choose. The state doesn’t allow you to worship God if that worship defies it and its dictates, which it ALWAYS does. How many instances in the scriptures and throughout all human history are we taught this lesson?

Lets just look at three examples proving this although there are many, many more:

Daniel and the lions den. (didn’t somebody important just talk about this in conference although he seemed to have missed the main point of the account?)

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego and the fiery furnace.

Abinadi vs king Noah.

What do these three accounts all have in common? What main lesson are they teaching us? Do they teach us to obey God or man? They respectively teach us they didn’t believe in being subject to . . . . , right? In fact, they all refused to be subjects, didn’t they? They chose to obey God rather than man. Then man or the State initiated violence against them as a result, in an attempt to enforce obedience or as punishment for not obeying, just like it always does when its false satanic authority is challenged. Whose side was God on? That is the real lesson being taught by these stories which we should take to heart.

Now lets get back to the state and see why it is always in opposition to God. Let’s start with a few questions:

Are all God’s children equal in His eyes?       Yes.

Are all subject to the same commandments?      Yes.

Does God ever give you or any other person an exemption from obeying His commandments if you(they) form or join a gang or a group?    Does He?                    Of course not. That’s ridiculous.

Let’s look at a few of the commandments God has given to ALL His children and which apply equally to ALL of them, with NO exceptions. “Thou shalt not steal.” Hmm. . . . has there ever been a government, which is made up of ordinary people all who are subject to this commandment, which didn’t or doesn’t STEAL?   No, there hasn’t, as all governments steal from their subjects. Stealing, or ‘taxation’ as they have so thoughtfully renamed it, is the most potent tool they have, used to subjugate, exploit and control their populations. By stealing they gain immense wealth and power which they then use to gain even more wealth and power, all the while falsely telling their subjects it is for their own good. Which leads to two more commandments the state defies as part of its daily operation. They are: “ Thou shalt not bear false witness and Thou shalt not covet”. The state breaks these commandments in hundreds of different ways, far, far to many to detail and address here. The state is based on lies. It is founded and operates on lies and thrives and grows on lies. It covets everything it sees and covets control and power over all people everywhere. Does this sound like something God is behind or something Satan backs? Pretty obvious isn’t it?

We haven’t even dealt with this commandment, “Thou shalt not kill.” Does the state have a problem with killing? Only a complete idiot would try to make that case. Just since the 1900’s the state has murdered over 260 million of its subjects worldwide. Democide (click here to learn more) is the term but mass murder has been the result. Over 260 million of God’s children murdered at the bloody hands of people who justified this by calling themselves government! This ungodly number is exclusive of the tens of millions more killed in wars between states, jockeying for power, amongst themselves, during that same period. Do you think God will give them a pass for these atrocities at judgment day? I can hear it now: “But God, I was just doing my job.” Or “I was just doing what I was told to do.” Or, “All I did was vote for them to represent me. It’s not my fault they did those things.” Or “But God, my leaders told me to follow them and said they would never lead me astray.” Good luck with those lame excuses.

You think God claims the state as His? Do you think He authorized it to do His work? Name one thing the state does which spreads the gospel of Jesus Christ.                 Can’t, can you?

What lesson did God authorize we be taught about rulers(the state)?

Lets turn to chapter 1 Samuel chapter 8 and find out:

6. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.

7. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected ME, that I should not reign over them. (did you get that? The rule of man is not the rule of God. Not by a long shot.)

10. And Samuel told all the words of the Lord unto the people that asked of him a king.

11. And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.

12. And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.

13. And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.

14. And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.

15. And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants. (wow, only a tenth?)

16. And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.

17. He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.(the servants are never the master and the master is NEVER accountable to the servants.)

18. And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day. (Not a good thing to have happen.)

19. Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;

Did God want His people ruled by men? Whom did they reject when they chose to be ruled by men? Why doesn’t God want his children to be ruled by men? Maybe because NONE of them are fit to rule over other people? Maybe because none of them could do so without breaking most of His commandments in the process? Maybe because He knew what far greater evil and harm would be done in the name of their bastardized version of ‘authority’.

What lessons do the Book of Mormon teach on being subject to men?

Lets look in Mosiah chapter 23 and see:

6. And the people were desirous that Alma should be their king, for he was beloved by his people.

7. But he said unto them: Behold, it is not expedient that we should have a king; for thus saith the Lord: Ye shall not esteem one flesh above another, or one man shall not think himself above another; therefore I say unto you it is not expedient that ye should have a king.

13. And now as ye have been delivered by the power of God out of these bonds; yea, even out of the hands of king Noah and his people, and also from the bonds of iniquity, even so I desire that ye should stand fast in this liberty wherewith ye have been made free, and that ye trust NO man to be a king over you. ( all political rulers are like “kings”)

This seems pretty clear to me. Now we know Alma was a righteous man, a good man and one beloved by his people, yet he was not fit to be their king. Think about that. All of you reading this who think that if you could just get(by voting) the right man or woman in power over you everything would be great are in fact being told by God just the opposite!! God doesn’t want anyone to be a ruler over you, for your sake and for theirs. Becoming a ruler guarantees a person will become evil and do much evil as such. God loves us all and doesn’t want any of us to live in bondage to sin or to other people. God knows when people believe they have power over other people they will invariably abuse that power and do far more harm then they ever could otherwise. We are to stand fast in liberty and trust NO man or woman to rule over us. We should pay strict attention to these words in the “most correct book on earth” as this is a revelation here.

Nobody should think they are above another, is a key point made here also, contrary to what ALL rulers think. This is wrong and leads to all kinds of evil and harm being done to billions of God’s children.

On the other hand, AOF 12 wasn’t a revelation and it certainly doesn’t trump this one. It was just an attempt to get some good p.r. out and probably also an attempt to convince the ruling class the church wasn’t a threat to them and their power structure. Remember, many of the issues the early members had were because they were seen as a political threat to various levels of the existing power structure. You think the inclusion of this particular AOF might have had something to do with that reality?  Either way it isn’t revelation and it doesn’t supersede previous revelations. Joseph Smith never claimed it was nor did he EVER try to establish it as such. That attempt came much later, long after he was dead, in 1880 when the church was again threatened by the state due to the false doctrine of polygamy which was declared illegal by the state. Wait a minute. This should never have been an issue since the church believed in being subject to the . . . . . . so how could this have happened? . . . . oh never mind. At that point it was voted on and canonized as doctrine probably as another p.r. attempt to pacify the state. At no time was further revelation received from God declaring these beliefs to be revelation.

So lets take a look at what God has established as His model for people living together in a stateless society according to His commandments. Are there any good examples of this in the scriptures? Yep. There sure are. Lets turn to Moses chapter 7:

13 And so great was the faith of Enoch that he led the people of God, and their enemies came to battle against them; and he spake the word of the Lord, and the earth trembled, and the mountains fled, even according to his command; and the rivers of water were turned out of their course; and the roar of the lions was heard out of the wilderness; and all nations feared greatly, so powerful was the word of Enoch, and so great was the power of the language which God had given him.

14 There also came up a land out of the depth of the sea, and so great was the fear of the enemies of the people of God, that they fled and stood afar off and went upon the land which came up out of the depth of the sea.

15 And the giants of the land, also, stood afar off; and there went forth a curse(being subjects of violent and immoral states?) upon all people that fought against God;

16 And from that time forth there were wars and bloodshed(the lifeblood of the state) among them; but the Lord came and dwelt with his people, and they dwelt in righteousness.

17 The fear of the Lord was upon all nations, so great was the glory of the Lord, which was upon his people. And the Lord blessed the land, and they were blessed upon the mountains, and upon the high places, and did flourish.

18 And the Lord called his people Zion, because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them.

Here we learn God’s people lived together in peace, safety and righteousness while protected from the state and its tyranny and violence. The people were equal and none sought to rule over, control or exploit their neighbor or force them to act in the way they thought they should. They didn’t steal from their neighbors to pay for roads, schools, museums, libraries, bombs or armies and lavish lifestyles for rulers. They didn’t steal for ANY reason. None were poor and none were rich. Did they believe in being subject to the state? No! They were anti-state and anti-government. They lived completely separate from the state and independently from it. On the other hand, the state feared Zion and fled from it. This is the model God desires His children to live under. Zion and the state are polar opposites. They are antithetical. They must be separate. Until people realize this fact Zion is an impossibility. It will continue to be a legendary place until God’s people fully reject the state and its corrupt model and quit participating in it, killing for it and supporting it in any way.

We also have a brief account of this type of society existing in the Book of Mormon. It existed after the coming of Christ and is recorded in 4th Nephi chapter 1:

3.  And they had all things common among them; therefore there were not rich and poor, bond and free, but they were all made free, and partakers of the heavenly gift.

15.  And it came to pass that there was no contention(states thrive on contention) in the land, because of the love of God which did dwell in the hearts of the people.

16.  And there were no envyings, nor strifes, nor tumults, nor whoredoms, nor lyings, nor murders, nor any manner of lasciviousness; and surely there could not be a happier people among all the people who had been created by the hand of God.

17.  There were no robbers, nor murderers, neither were there Lamanites, nor any manner of -ites(no subjects, citizens, americans, germans, russians, etc.); but they were in one, the children of Christ, and heirs to the kingdom of God.

Sound pretty wonderful doesn’t it? And of course none of this would be possible inside a state where some people are more equal than others and who use their power to control, rob and subjugate the rest. You can’t have a state without systematic theft which also didn’t exist in this account.

Joseph Smith attempted to set up this type of a society but he failed due to the wickedness, unbelief and stubbornness of the people. And more than likely because they were to committed to the state and its systems and couldn’t divorce themselves from it. Yet, the saints, even after failing to establish Zion the first time where given another chance with this amazing promise found in D&C 103:5-10

“But verily I say unto you, that I have decreed a decree which my people shall realize, inasmuch as they hearken from this very hour unto the counsel which I, the Lord their God, shall give unto them. Behold they shall, for I have decreed it, begin to prevail against mine enemies from this very hour. And by hearkening to observe all the words which I the Lord their God shall speak unto them, they shall never cease to prevail until the kingdoms of the world are subdued under my feet, and the earth is given to the saints, to possess it forever and ever. But inasmuch as they keep not my commandments, and hearken not to observe all my words, the kingdoms of the world shall prevail against them. For they were set to be a light unto the world, and to be the savior of men; and inasmuch as they are not the saviors of men, they are as salt that has lost its savor and is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out and trodden under the foot of men.”

So what happened since this revelation was given?

Who prevails against whom?

Who fled from the other?

Who teaches they must be subject to the other?

Does the state tell you to vote for the the church?

Does the state say you should participate in the church and do your duty to it?

Does the state say you should fight, kill and maybe die for the church?

Does the state tell you to obey the rulers/leaders of the church?

Does the state tell you to obey the laws of the church?

Who is afraid of offending the other?

Who is afraid to speak out against the other?

Who exists at the pleasure of the other?

Whose laws determine what the other can and can’t do?

Whose money gets taken for the benefit of the other?

Who is trodden under the foot of men?

I think you get the picture here and I should stop belaboring the issue, right? Clearly the state is in control and prevailing. That isn’t even debatable at this point. So who do you think you should be subject to? Are you going to trust in the arm of flesh or in the power and word of God? You CANNOT do both.

Here’s something else to think about regarding this issue. Let me ask you this regarding obeying, honoring and sustaining laws: Was it ‘legal’ for Hitler to murder millions of Jews? Did you ever hear the story of a young Latter-Day Saint named Helmuth Hubener? He had the same kind of moral courage Daniel had but you won’t hear his story at conference. Why? because he refused to accept the false doctrine taught in the 12th AOF. You should read about him and how he was excommunicated for opposing the nazis and later beheaded by them. Then ask yourself who was in the right? Was it legal for the Jews to crucify Jesus Christ? Was it legal for Governor Boggs to issue an extermination order against the saints? Was it legal to own slaves in the U.S. under the constitution? Was it legal to murder millions of American Indians?

If you believe in being a subject rather than a son or daughter of God then how can you criticize those “legal” crimes against humanity? In reality, legal and illegal have nothing to do with with what is right and wrong and what is moral and immoral. Most of the laws in this world, are nothing but threats issued by the ruling class and violate the commandments of God. ALL political rulers, unequivocally violate His commandments. And you think you should support them, honor them and submit to them? WHY? Why would you think that?

When you have rulers, they make the laws and they determine what is legal or illegal, irregardless of what is right or wrong, moral or immoral, completely disregarding God’s laws. Believing you are a subject to anyone but God is extremely foolish and naïve and is plainly contradicted by scripture. There is nobody between you and God. In Nephi we are told He employs no gatekeepers, “keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel; and he employeth no servant there.”

Letting other people make decisions for you is a big mistake and you will be held accountable.

You won’t be able to excuse yourself by saying you were just being obedient. Obedience to God is commanded while obedience to man is precluded. In fact, according to God you will be cursed if you put your trust in man.

Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

Any person who thinks you should obey them is not a good person. Any person who thinks they have a right to force you to obey them is a truly evil person. Stay away from those people!

P.S. I have just read an amazing post by a woman who has an incredible understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ and why Christians shouldn’t vote. Please read it and forward it.

7 thoughts on “We believe in being subject to . . .

  1. Excellent article. I totally agree. But what can be done? We are all in bondage today. And where is there anyone who is even righteous to start to form a group with? I can’t find anyone who believes in love & liberty, or who really believes in and follows Christ.

  2. Long post. Haven’t had time to finish it yet.

    But I will say…

    You recall that King Mosiah, King Benjamin, Nephi, Alma, etc., established righteous laws that all men were compelled to follow? Modern scriptures state that those who obey the laws of God will not have occasion to disobey the (righteous) laws of the land (at that time, the U.S. Constitution — which was divinely inspired, I might add).

    You are right, we are a nation of laws and not of men. (Or we’re supposed to be!) We’re supposed to follow law, not men. And the law of God ought to be written in our hearts!

    But that is quickly unraveling. Our political structure is becoming very much like our religious structure (or vice versa): the “haves” and the “have nots”; those “with authority” and those “without”; those who can compel others to submit and those who are compelled to submit — the one to act and the other to be acted upon. Very Babylonian.

    I’m sorry I have not thoroughly perused all your ideas. Perhaps I will after a good night’s sleep!

    • What do you think it means that the constitution was “divinely inspired”? I have thought a lot about that and I have come to the conclusion it doesn’t mean what most LDS people think it does. The state, which is what the constitution established is ALWAYS in opposition to God and His commandments. So if God inspired a state what would that mean? Seems to me it would mean he authorizes and condones and is responsible for its crimes. I can’t accept that and so I think He inspired the people who created the constitution to not create a state, but they did anyway. They did part of what he wanted them to do but not even close to all and sadly gave in to the desire for power and control over their neighbors.
      In other words, some elements of the constitution are inspired as they are good and correct like freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the right to defend oneself, as those are all inalienable rights. Those parts are divinely inspired. But the WHOLE thing is NOT divinely inspired. Not by a long shot.
      Remember we all have agency and God can inspire us to do something but we still make the choice about whether or not to do it. I think the constitution has elements of liberty and freedom which are inspired but the creation of a government based on force, supposedly(and obviously not) bound by it aren’t. Force is not Christlike. Making people obey other people at gunpoint is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. God wants us to be free from all rule by men regardless of what it is called.
      As for Mosiah I would call him a servant and a leader of his people, NOT a ruler. He supported himself, instead of robbing the people, which is different than every other ruler in the world in every state.

  3. The D&C states that we are justified in obeying laws that are Constitutional/do not violate God’s/Natural law.

    Looking at that from the outside in, we are also justified in resisting those acts of legislation with are not Lawful.

  4. Maybe most truths have to be said with paradoxes. Why do we have to look for the perfect instruction manual. Maybe God wants us to figure it out and debate things from time to time. I’m a person who tends to say piss off to anyone or any system that wants to subject me for personal gain or power, but you can spend all day every day doing that. Sometimes it’s better to go to my boys soccer game.

  5. Joseph Smith was expressing that we believe in being good citizens. We believe in paying our taxes, in sustaining the law, and abiding peaceably in the nations where we live. This is not, and was not, a given with many newly founded religions, and the early Saints faced persecution time and again for their perceived unwillingness to abide by the law.

    I do not think for a second that he was saying that we love to place ourselves in subservience to the whims of men. I do not agree that there is an inherent contradiction between the Articles of Faith in question. Although my government does allow for many legal activities that are violations of my moral code, I’m struggling to find an example of something I am either legally required to do that my religion forbids, or that I am forbidden by law to do that my religion affirms I should be doing. Certainly there are biblical examples and some from the Book of Mormon, but an exception like Daniel continuing to pray to God when required to only petition King Darius does not change the overall belief that even Daniel believed, despite his actions when the two concepts were brought into direct conflict. In all other times and places, Daniel subjected himself to his king, as a faithful follower of a peaceful, God-fearing religion should do.

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